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    Some stills from the rarely seen David Cronenberg movie. What you've never seen it?!








    So this has been pissing people off online recently. A user has been using an AI to generate stills from a David Cronenberg scifi space epic. There's a ton more material from it than what I've attached. I think it's very cool myself. I would watch this movie. For some reason everyone else seems real pissed off. There's a ton more images in this twitter thread that links to the motherload: https://twitter.com/keithscho/status...online-stir%2F
    "Never let the fact that they are doing it wrong stop you from doing it right." Hyman Mandell.

  • #2
    I would watch this in a heart beat! Why the hell would this piss people off? Get a life.
    I don't go to church. Kneeling bags my nylons.

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    • #3
      Incredible.
      Why would anybody watch a scum show like Videodrome? Why did you watch it, Max?

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      • #4
        Calls to mind Scorsese's Goncharov and that Sinbad vehicle, Shazam.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Andrew Monroe View Post
          I would watch this in a heart beat! Why the hell would this piss people off? Get a life.
          There are many facets to the argument against AI "art", the strongest of which is that the software applications that are producing images like the ones posted above are scraping the internet for reference material, taking bits and pieces of existing art and applying them to fit the user prompts, which many traditional artists see as theft. The majority of the artists I follow on Instagram have come down hard on these image generators. It's a complex issue that's exacerbated by the fact that so much of what's been generated and posted has very quickly developed a sameness to it that quite a few people find distasteful in addition to being unscrupulously created.
          Now everyone can have a complete KRULL lifestyle.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Toyboy View Post

            There are many facets to the argument against AI "art", the strongest of which is that the software applications that are producing images like the ones posted above are scraping the internet for reference material, taking bits and pieces of existing art and applying them to fit the user prompts, which many traditional artists see as theft. The majority of the artists I follow on Instagram have come down hard on these image generators. It's a complex issue that's exacerbated by the fact that so much of what's been generated and posted has very quickly developed a sameness to it that quite a few people find distasteful in addition to being unscrupulously created.
            I forget the address but there's a website where you can go see if your own images have been used in the "Great Scraping". Mine have and I've no doubt a bunch of yours have too Toyboy.

            I'd disagree with most of the arguments you're referencing above. The idea that the AIs are just copy and pasting other peoples art work is frequently reported but not true. Each image is generated fresh from randomised static by an AI that has been trained by seeing everyone's images. Human's work roughly the same way, it's just our influences are much narrower. The idea that the work of human artists are beautiful and unique snowflakes that came from their own mind is nonsense. Check out this instagram page that's an awesome and hilarious collection of examples of photographers taking the exact same image over and over again: https://www.instagram.com/insta_repeat/ Ironically computer art will at least always have a random element which is often missing with human art.

            As for the sameness, that's in the hands of the user. The AIs can do anything. Here an AI has been used to create an alternative reality David Cronenberg movie that you can damn near touch and, god, do I wish it was real. That's unique and wonderful use of the tech. The tech also gave us Loab the creepiest and most enigmatic urban legend that's been birthed in decades. For brand new tech it's already being used in all sorts of interesting and creative way and that's going to explode as it gets more usable.

            Whenever there's new tools there will always be people jumping around saying they're not valid. Photography, for instance, faced a similar sort of backlash. This will pass as the sort of awesomness on show above becomes more common. Plus at some point the AIs will figure out that we only have 5 fingers.
            Last edited by Dom D; 01-19-2023, 05:55 PM.
            "Never let the fact that they are doing it wrong stop you from doing it right." Hyman Mandell.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dom D View Post
              Human's work roughly the same way, it's just our influences are much narrower. The idea that the work of human artists are beautiful and unique snowflakes that came from their own mind is nonsense.
              I agree with this and for the most part am neutral to the concept and practice of AI Art. What many of its detractors choose to ignore is that the "A" stands for "artificial" and the vast majority of people posting these types of images online are very careful to not even call it art. It's no threat to me, as an artist, and the notion that these programs are scraping the internet for reference is exactly as you say: it's pulling reference, which is something most artists do. I had to draw Mr. Freeze for a commission recently, so I Googled the character and captured a half dozen images - some cosplay, some statues and some comic book art - that I repeatedly looked at as I created my piece. This is an artificial version of that process, as made clear by calling it AI art.

              If I have an artificial chicken that produces eggs and I present an omelet made from those eggs as an "artificial chicken egg omelet" that shouldn't be a problem. If someone yelled at me, "How dare you call that an egg omelet!" I'd point out the artificial part of that label.

              The people I've seen who are the most vocal in their disapproval are concept artists, and that I get. Their jobs are indeed threatened by this, but at the same time I have to say, some of this stuff is fucking crazy cool. I dig all those images you posted. A lot. However, I get why artists are threatened by it and Andrew's "get a life" statement is what prompted me to explain the uproar because I do believe there are valid concerns.

              I believe they'll be hashed out when lawsuits start happening, much in the same way people who owned the publishing rights to recorded music began suing rappers, DJ's, producers and their labels when sampling became popular in the 80's. However, in all the AI images I've seen posted I couldn't personally point out any elements I could easily identify as belonging to any individual, real world artist.
              Toyboy
              like a hole in the head
              Last edited by Toyboy; 01-19-2023, 06:29 PM.
              Now everyone can have a complete KRULL lifestyle.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Toyboy View Post


                The people I've seen who are the most vocal in their disapproval are concept artists, and that I get. Their jobs are indeed threatened by this
                Prepandemic i was making a living by taking photos of people and sticking them in fantasy scenarios. Something AI is very good at. Not sure i still have a job if i want to go back to it. But thats life i figure. Jobs change. I felt sorry for the taxi drivers but im still going home in an Uber.

                Back on topic. Im not sure which AI did this but im assuming its not Midjourney. Midjourney have a list of prohibited search terms to prevent output from getting too disturbing/pornographic. One of the prohibited words, oddly enough, is Cronenberg.
                "Never let the fact that they are doing it wrong stop you from doing it right." Hyman Mandell.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dom D View Post
                  One of the prohibited words, oddly enough, is Cronenberg.
                  I'm sure the man himself would find this hilarious.

                  Why would anybody watch a scum show like Videodrome? Why did you watch it, Max?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dom D View Post
                    Back on topic. Im not sure which AI did this but im assuming its not Midjourney. Midjourney have a list of prohibited search terms to prevent output from getting too disturbing/pornographic. One of the prohibited words, oddly enough, is Cronenberg.
                    Which I'm sure he loves, if he's aware of it.

                    There is potential for some genuinely interesting, transgressive stuff to be made by this technology and I've seen some images made of late period Michael Jackson that are truly nightmarish.

                    In terms of artists being upset by the idea that these applications pull reference from art that's on the internet, my reaction is, "Well, who put it up there in the first place and what did you think was going to happen with it?". Over the last 15-20 years I've uploaded almost every piece of art I've made to the internet in some way, shape or form. I post art to Instagram pretty much daily with full knowledge that anyone can take it and do whatever they want with it. It's like if you go to a gym that has, instead of lockers, open cubby holes for your valuables and you opt to use them. You have to take responsibility for that decision if shit gets stolen.

                    Another part of this that I'm interested in seeing play out is how this will change artists' views on NFT's and the blockchain. Many of the same people I see decrying AI Art are also people who are adamantly against NFTs, yet that may well end up being the solution for this conundrum - the option to keep your material on the blockchain in order to prevent it being scraped. We'll see.
                    Now everyone can have a complete KRULL lifestyle.

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                    • #11
                      imgur has 200 more pics

                      https://imgur.com/gallery/KQrpbw3
                      Out here on the perimeter we is stoned...immaculate

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