Mario Bava

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The review of BLACK SABBATH at Dvd Beaver shows Kino really fucked that one up! What are they doing over there?? Damn, I feel bad for US Bava fans that aren't region free.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...ck_sabbath.htm

[Lalala76 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lalala76]

Yip. For all the problems ARROW have occasionally with their transfers, they struck gold again with Black Sabbath. I'm very wary of KINO.

[Ignatius Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ignatius]

There's a portion of this interview with restoration expert James White (the reason Arrow's transfers are so good now) that sheds some light on the possible reasons why Kino's Black Sabbath transfer is so fucked up.

Apparently the HD master was derived from a seriously flawed photochemical restoration done in Italy that left the film with plenty of printed-in damage, stability issues, and a milky colour scheme. I can only surmise that Kino did their colour correction without the proper research, aiming for something that looked correct without accounting for the frequently wild colour schemes that Bava often employed.

Of course it's possible that both companies were working from totally different HD masters but it seems unlikely.

[Alex K. Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Alex K.]

"All I've made are big bullshits. No doubt about that."

Mario Bava.

Fulci had said something similar.

"All my life critics have called my art shit. Now they're calling my shit art."

Funny that two of masters regard the horror films as being below what they're capable of making. I wonder if Argento has a similar attitude.

[Koukol Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Koukol]

There's a portion of this interview with restoration expert James White (the reason Arrow's transfers are so good now) that sheds some light on the possible reasons why Kino's Black Sabbath transfer is so fucked up.

Apparently the HD master was derived from a seriously flawed photochemical restoration done in Italy that left the film with plenty of printed-in damage, stability issues, and a milky colour scheme. I can only surmise that Kino did their colour correction without the proper research, aiming for something that looked correct without accounting for the frequently wild colour schemes that Bava often employed.

Of course it's possible that both companies were working from totally different HD masters but it seems unlikely.

Thanks for tjhe link, Ignatius.

I'm thrilled Arrow is trying to get more Bava like WHIP & B&BL and would love a better NOTLD.

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Also from The Digital Bits...

"Meanwhile, here's a look at official cover artwork for Kino's Bay of Blood and Five Dolls for an August Moon on BD (both 9/3)…"





I really like those covers.

[Mark Tolch Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mark Tolch]

to this day, I can not hear the title Bay of Blood without thinking of Michael Elliott.

[bgart13 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bgart13]

Tempting, but given Kino's lackadaisical treatment of the Bavas and Arrow's enthusiastic proper treatment, I think I'll hold off. Of course, BAY OF BLOOD is a real possibility if Kino gets the colors right.

[Killer Meteor Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Killer Meteor]

to this day, I can not hear the title Bay of Blood without thinking of Michael Elliott.

How so?

[Koukol Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Koukol]

Tempting, but given Kino's lackadaisical treatment of the Bavas and Arrow's enthusiastic proper treatment, I think I'll hold off. Of course, BAY OF BLOOD is a real possibility if Kino gets the colors right.

Absolutely.

If this one is better than the Arrow I'll buy.

Love the cover!

[Ian Jane Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close Ian Jane]

Redemption said this morning that The Whip And The Body is coming to Blu-ray in 2014.

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A quick comparison between the Arrow Blu-ray (up top) and the new Kino disc (bottom). Click to make'em big if that's your thing.

And yeah, I know these aren't the exact same frames but they're from the same scene and give you a pretty good idea of what to expect.

[Richard--W a straight arrow Find all posts View Profile Close Richard--W]

Mondo Digital favors the Kino:

http://mondo-digital.com/bayblood.html

[Koukol Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Koukol]

Judging by the caps above the Kino does look better.
The Arrow looks kinda dark and hazy.

I'll have to see more comparisons before I buy.

[bgart13 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bgart13]

This review has some additional comparisons:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/61565/bay-of-blood-a/